air optix vs biofinity

rfriel · #1 (**permalink**) 01-26-2010, 03:37 PM

read it and switch to Biofinity

http://www.opticianonline.net/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=3086

Droopy · #2 (**permalink**) 01-26-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

read it and switch to biofinity

http://www.opticianonline.net/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=3086

Uh, uh. No fair. At least give me a summary of what's at that site you want me to link to. I don't want to leave my cozy home at Lens 101 unless it's absolutely necessary.

rfriel · #3 (**permalink**) 01-26-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

Uh, uh. No fair. At least give me a summary of what's at that site you want me to link to. I don't want to leave my cozy home at Lens 101 unless it's absolutely necessary.

Comparative clinical evaluation of two
silicone hydrogel lenses for daily wear

LittleElvis · #4 (**permalink**) 01-27-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

Comparative clinical evaluation of two silicone hydrogel lenses for daily wear

I see, and can you tell us here in Lens 101 land what makes Biofinity better than Air Optix, in your opinion?

You've got to keep in mind that sum of d ppl hu read Lens 101 cnt evn tel u w@ dey mean w/o shortnin evry wrd.

rfriel · #5 (**permalink**) 01-27-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LittleElvis

I see, and can you tell us here in Lens 101 land what makes Biofinity better than Air Optix, in your opinion?

You've got to keep in mind that sum of d ppl hu read Lens 101 cnt evn tel u w@ dey mean w/o shortnin evry wrd.

IMHO, clinical research is what matters, not peoples freakin' opinions. opinions are like @$$holes, every body has one, show me the clinical data from multiple research projects and i may start to believe your opinion, otherwise, dont waste my time with your hot air.

http://www.opticianonline.net/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=2113

John316 · #6 (**permalink**) 01-27-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

IMHO, clinical research is what matters, not peoples freakin' opinions. opinions are like @$$holes, every body has one, show me the clinical data from multiple research projects and i may start to believe your opinion, otherwise, dont waste my time with your hot air.

http://www.opticianonline.net/assets/getAsset.aspx?ItemID=2113

Rfriel,

You begin this post with "IMHO" and then go on to say that opinions are "hot air."

This board is loaded with people's "freakin' opinions" and I'm glad. Do we really need "clinical data from multiple research projects" just to find out which contact lenses are more comfortable? If I see three posts from people who say "I like Air Optix" and two that say "I like Biofinity" that may not produce my final decision, but it helps.

To assume that everyone's else's opinion is "hot air" sounds rather arrogant, don't you think?

Besides, I for one rather have someone's opinion than a post that just says "Here, follow this link."

Okay, I'm, not trying to start a fight. I just would like everyone here to remember that Lens 101 is a community. Let's have a little respect, okay?

rfriel · #7 (**permalink**) 01-28-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by John316

Rfriel,

You begin this post with "IMHO" and then go on to say that opinions are "hot air."

This board is loaded with people's "freakin' opinions" and I'm glad. Do we really need "clinical data from multiple research projects" just to find out which contact lenses are more comfortable? If I see three posts from people who say "I like Air Optix" and two that say "I like Biofinity" that may not produce my final decision, but it helps.

To assume that everyone's else's opinion is "hot air" sounds rather arrogant, don't you think?

Besides, I for one rather have someone's opinion than a post that just says "Here, follow this link."

Okay, I'm, not trying to start a fight. I just would like everyone here to remember that Lens 101 is a community. Let's have a little respect, okay?

i was arrogant, and slap my face, yes, i would rather have clinical data, objective reviews, but subjective reviews are just as essential in the lens101 community since social networking is such an integral part of our society now. so yes, you are very correct in your statement above. Thanks for your input.

ThaMaster · #8 (**permalink**) 02-11-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

i was arrogant, and slap my face, yes, i would rather have clinical data, objective reviews, but subjective reviews are just as essential in the lens101 community since social networking is such an integral part of our society now. so yes, you are very correct in your statement above. Thanks for your input.

Is that sarcasm or repentance? I take it by the smiley face that you sincerely agree with John316's post and regret your former attitude. I'm going to assume that you are sincere and congratulate you on your humility.
You've contributed quite a few posts to Lens 101, rfriel, and looking over them, 99% percent of them are helpful and polite.
I'm sorry if some of the members here "rub you the wrong way," but as you say: "social networking is such an integral part of our society now." It's very important that we try to read everything here in the best possible light.
Thanks for understanding.

rfriel · #9 (**permalink**) 02-11-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaMaster

Is that sarcasm or repentance? I take it by the smiley face that you sincerely agree with John316's post and regret your former attitude. I'm going to assume that you are sincere and congratulate you on your humility.
You've contributed quite a few posts to Lens 101, rfriel, and looking over them, 99% percent of them are helpful and polite.
I'm sorry if some of the members here "rub you the wrong way," but as you say: "social networking is such an integral part of our society now." It's very important that we try to read everything here in the best possible light.
Thanks for understanding.

yes, social networking is important, and just because i agree that i was arrogant in the previous post does not mean that i concede that objective clinical data is not important in our analysis of proper contact lens wear. is the evidence for an opinion subjective or objective? objective evidence is much more concrete and believeable but that does not mitigate the need for subjective evidence as well, even the weighting is far less.

Droopy · #10 (**permalink**) 03-30-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

yes, social networking is important, and just because i agree that i was arrogant in the previous post does not mean that i concede that objective clinical data is not important in our analysis of proper contact lens wear. is the evidence for an opinion subjective or objective? objective evidence is much more concrete and believeable but that does not mitigate the need for subjective evidence as well, even the weighting is far less.

As Little Elvis pointed out, there are people on this site who don't want to read the reports from Eye Care Professionals with all the lingo that they don't understand as non-professionals. Also there are people who just plain don't want to go to another site when they're already at a site called "Lens 101" that sounds like a place where they can learn about lenses.

Objective clinical data is very important. I agree with you 100% on that. However, and maybe I'm wrong here, your average Lens 101 reader does not want to sift through a lot if scientific gobbledygook, they just want to know which do YOU like better, Biofinity or Air Optix, and why.

That's why in so many commercials on TV, instead of giving you the objective clinical data, they give you a pretty girl talking about what happened when she tried the product and why she likes it so much. It works.

rfriel · #11 (**permalink**) 03-30-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

As Little Elvis pointed out, there are people on this site who don't want to read the reports from eye care professionals with all the lingo that they don't understand as non-professionals. Also there are people who just plain don't want to go to another site when they're already at a site called "Lens 101" that sounds like a place where they can learn about lenses.

Objective clinical data is very important. I agree with you 100% on that. However, and maybe I'm wrong here, your average Lens 101 reader does not want to sift through a lot if scientific gobbledygook, they just want to know which do YOU like better, Biofinity or Air Optix, and why.

That's why in so many commercials on TV, instead of giving you the objective clinical data, they give you a pretty girl talking about what happened when she tried the product and why she likes it so much. It works.

the cute redhead came with the product too, then it would sell much better. LOL

BettyBoop · #12 (**permalink**) 03-30-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

the cute redhead came with the product too, then it would sell much better. LOL

If that was the case, some would probably say "I'll take two, please."

ThaMaster · #13 (**permalink**) 03-31-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

As Little Elvis pointed out, there are people on this site who don't want to read the reports from eye care professionals with all the lingo that they don't understand as non-professionals. Also there are people who just plain don't want to go to another site when they're already at a site called "Lens 101" that sounds like a place where they can learn about lenses.

Objective clinical data is very important. I agree with you 100% on that. However, and maybe I'm wrong here, your average Lens 101 reader does not want to sift through a lot if scientific gobbledygook, they just want to know which do YOU like better, Biofinity or Air Optix, and why.

That's why in so many commercials on TV, instead of giving you the objective clinical data, they give you a pretty girl talking about what happened when she tried the product and why she likes it so much. It works.

Put me down for two redheads, too. That would be twice as much . . . conversation and intellectual stimulation.

LittleElvis · #14 (**permalink**) 04-20-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaMaster

Put me down for two redheads, too. That would be twice as much . . . conversation and intellectual stimulation.

Yes, exactly, and probably very little scientific gobbledygook.

Can you believe Spell Check warned me when I misspelled "gobbledygook"?

Droopy · #15 (**permalink**) 04-23-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

the cute redhead came with the product too, then it would sell much better. LOL

Yeah, maybe. Unless she's not as nice as she looks. As one of my television heroes once said: "Good looks are no substitute for a sound character."

LittleElvis · #16 (**permalink**) 04-26-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

Yeah, maybe. Unless she's not as nice as she looks. As one of my television heroes once said: "Good looks are no substitute for a sound character."

Ah, yes. "The Pirate Planet." That Mary Tamm has some very pretty eyes. Does anybody know if she wears contacts?

Does anybody have a better picture than this? After searching the `net so long that Lens 101 logged me off, this is the best picture I could find of Mary Tamm's eyes.

ThaMaster · #17 (**permalink**) 05-04-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleElvis

Ah, yes. "The Pirate Planet." That Mary Tamm has some very pretty eyes. Does anybody know if she wears contacts?

Does anybody have a better picture than this? After searching the `net so long that Lens 101 logged me off, this is the best picture I could find of Mary Tamm's eyes.

She's got pretty blue eyes and they look natural to me.

I understand that Louise Jameson who played Leela on Doctor Who, wore contacts because the character had brown eyes, but the actress did not. The contacts were so uncomfortable for her that a device was written into the script that allowed Leela's eyes to suddenly turn blue.

Wikipedia says "Although Jameson's eyes are naturally blue, as Leela she initially wore red contact lenses to make them brown. However, the contact lenses severely limited her vision, and producer Graham Williams promised her she could stop wearing them. To explain the change in-story, writer Terrance Dicks wrote a scene in the 1977 serial Horror of Fang Rock in which Leela's eyes suffer "pigment dispersal" and turn blue after viewing the explosion of the Rutan ship."

A rare instance of someone on TV wearing contact lenses to change an actresses' eyes from blue to brown.

Droopy · #18 (**permalink**) 06-10-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaMaster

She's got pretty blue eyes and they look natural to me.

I understand that Louise Jameson who played Leela on Doctor Who, wore contacts because the character had brown yes, but the actress did not. The contacts were so uncomfortable for her that a device was written into the script that allowed Leela's eyes to suddenly turn blue.

Wikipedia says "Although Jameson's eyes are naturally blue, as Leela she initially wore red contact lenses to make them brown. However, the contact lenses severely limited her vision, and producer Graham Williams promised her she could stop wearing them. To explain the change in-story, writer Terrance Dicks wrote a scene in the 1977 serial Horror of Fang Rock in which Leela's eyes suffer "pigment dispersal" and turn blue after viewing the explosion of the Rutan ship."

A rare instance of someone on TV wearing contact lenses to change an actresses' eyes from blue to brown.

She wore red contacts to make them look brown? I guess that's the best they could do in 1977.
So the next time you put in your brown contact lenses, think of poor Louise Jameson, running around in a tiny little costume and red contact lenses, trying to see well enough to throw her knife accurately and not skewer a cameraman.

ThaMaster · #19 (**permalink**) 06-30-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

She wore red contacts to make them look brown? I guess that's the best they could do in 1977.
So the next time you put in your brown contact lenses, think of poor Louise Jameson, running around in a tiny little costume and red contact lenses, trying to see well enough to throw her knife accurately and not skewer a cameraman.

Her eyes look pretty brown in that picture. It's hard to believe that effect was created by red lenses over blue eyes.

Here she is in more recent times with her natural blue eyes.

comicbookguy · #20 (**permalink**) 11-01-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rfriel

Comparative clinical evaluation of two
silicone hydrogel lenses for daily wear

Ooo! Comparative clinical evaluation. Sounds like a real page turner.

John316 · #21 (**permalink**) 06-30-2011, 04:11 PM

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Ooo! Comparative clinical evaluation. Sounds like a real page turner.

Hey, send me to that beach and I'll read whatever you want me to.

comicbookguy · #22 (**permalink**) 07-06-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

As Little Elvis pointed out, there are people on this site who don't want to read the reports from eye care professionals with all the lingo that they don't understand as non-professionals. Also there are people who just plain don't want to go to another site when they're already at a site called "Lens 101" that sounds like a place where they can learn about lenses.

Objective clinical data is very important. I agree with you 100% on that. However, and maybe I'm wrong here, your average Lens 101 reader does not want to sift through a lot if scientific gobbledygook, they just want to know which do YOU like better, Biofinity or Air Optix, and why.

That's why in so many commercials on TV, instead of giving you the objective clinical data, they give you a pretty girl talking about what happened when she tried the product and why she likes it so much. It works.

Amen to that, Droopy. There are lots of forums out there with loads of clinical data and the people who read those forums really like it. Lens 101 isn't a forum for people with doctoral degrees to discuss the ramifications of the latest theses in their educational institution's academic journal. It's a Forum For the People. Even if someone never finished high school, I'd like to think that they could read Lens 101 and get something out of it.

comicbookguy · #23 (**permalink**) 07-06-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

Uh, uh. No fair. At least give me a summary of what's at that site you want me to link to. I don't want to leave my cozy home at Lens 101 unless it's absolutely necessary.

I left my cozy home at Lens 101 to check out the link given by rfriel, and here's a sample of what was there:

"This was a two-month, single-masked, randomised, bilateral, cross over daily wear evaluation with subjects wearing Biofinity and Air Optix for one month each. The multi-centre study was conducted at seven sites in the UK. Lens details are summarised in Table 1. To prevent bias, subjects were masked to lens type and sponsor and investigators masked to sponsor, although not necessarily lens type since Air Optix incorporates distinctive markings."

Here's the conclusion:

"This study shows that Biofinity lenses performed well with regards to clinical performance when refitting existing CL wearers for DW. When comparing the lens with another SiH, both performed well, although Biofinity gave better comfort performance than Air Optix, particularly later in the day, along with fewer symptoms of discomfort and blurred vision . . . Biofinity led to fewer slit lamp findings than habitual lenses for limbal hyperaemia, bulbar hyperaemia and corneal staining during the month, in addition to less limbal and bulbar hyperaemia than with Air Optix."

That wasn't so bad, copying and pasting that.

Droopy · #24 (**permalink**) 07-08-2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaMaster

She's got pretty blue eyes and they look natural to me.

I understand that Louise Jameson who played Leela on Doctor Who, wore contacts because the character had brown eyes, but the actress did not. The contacts were so uncomfortable for her that a device was written into the script that allowed Leela's eyes to suddenly turn blue.

Wikipedia says "Although Jameson's eyes are naturally blue, as Leela she initially wore red contact lenses to make them brown. However, the contact lenses severely limited her vision, and producer Graham Williams promised her she could stop wearing them. To explain the change in-story, writer Terrance Dicks wrote a scene in the 1977 serial Horror of Fang Rock in which Leela's eyes suffer "pigment dispersal" and turn blue after viewing the explosion of the Rutan ship."

A rare instance of someone on TV wearing contact lenses to change an actresses' eyes from blue to brown.

"Hey you! Get away from that Rutan ship! What if it explodes? Do you want to get pigment dispersal or something?"

Zoey · #25 (**permalink**) 08-02-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Droopy

She wore red contacts to make them look brown? I guess that's the best they could do in 1977.
So the next time you put in your brown contact lenses, think of poor Louise Jameson, running around in a tiny little costume and red contact lenses, trying to see well enough to throw her knife accurately and not skewer a cameraman.

Aren't you glad we have brown contact lenses now? I can't imagine being able to get red contact lenses but not brown ones. Can anyone explain this mystery?

John316 · #26 (**permalink**) 08-19-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoey

Aren't you glad we have brown contact lenses now? I can't imagine being able to get red contact lenses but not brown ones. Can anyone explain this mystery?

Dunno. Apparently in those days red contacts were easier to make than brown.