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Old 03-23-2011, 10:33 AM
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Sometimes, a brand of contact lenses will also go by a generic name, or even a different brand name. Have you ever heard of Boston Envision going by a different name?
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In Cognito= Italian gearbox ?

Don't know of any RGPs going under different names.
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In Cognito= Italian gearbox ?

Don't know of any RGPs going under different names.
Don't know about that Italian gearbox thing, but I suppose it's possible, what with the cogs and all.

I found a site that tells us that Boston Envision lenses are known generically as enflufocon B. You can probably see why they went with "Envision" instead.
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Old 08-08-2011, 01:57 PM
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Don't know about that Italian gearbox thing, but I suppose it's possible, what with the cogs and all.

I found a site that tells us that Boston Envision lenses are known generically as enflufocon B. You can probably see why they went with "Envision" instead.
Yeah, "Envision" is a lot easier to say and spell.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:42 PM
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Don't know about that Italian gearbox thing, but I suppose it's possible, what with the cogs and all.

I found a site that tells us that Boston Envision lenses are known generically as enflufocon B. You can probably see why they went with "Envision" instead.
That's not the generic name, it's the material it's made from. Other RGPs may be made from the same material, but the design of the lenses would be different.
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That's not the generic name, it's the material it's made from. Other RGPs may be made from the same material, but the design of the lenses would be different.
So when you go to a site like the one Spongebob found, they don't even have Boston Envision listed, just "enflufocon B" lenses? How can you tell that they're the same thing as Boston Envision?
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You can't. You can make 'single cut', bi-curve, tri-curve and multi aspheric RGPs with the same material, but only the 'single cut' is Envision.
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You can't. You can make 'single cut', bi-curve, tri-curve and multi aspheric RGPs with the same material, but only the 'single cut' is Envision.
So if a website says that they have "enflufocon B" lenses, they may or may not be Envision, depending on the "cut," right?
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:01 PM
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So if a website says that they have "enflufocon B" lenses, they may or may not be Envision, depending on the "cut," right?
Yes, that's right.
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So if a website says that they have "enflufocon B" lenses, they may or may not be Envision, depending on the "cut," right?
OK, single cut + enflufocon B = Envision contact lenses, right?

Maybe now contact lens Fitter can explain what "single cut" means.
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OK, single cut + enflufocon B = Envision contact lenses, right?

Maybe now Contact Lens Fitter can explain what "single cut" means.
Single cut, bicurve, tricurve and multi aspherical refer to the peripheral curves on the edge of the lenses. They help to adjust centration and movement on the lenses.
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Single cut, bicurve, tricurve and multi aspherical refer to the peripheral curves on the edge of the lenses. They help to adjust centration and movement on the lenses.
I suppose it's too complicated for a "101" site to explain exactly what "bicurve" and "tricurve" mean?
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It does get very complicated. Many people who fit all kinds of soft lenses do not want to have anything to do with RGPs.
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It does get very complicated. Many people who fit all kinds of soft lenses do not want to have anything to do with RGPs.
Why is that? Is it because of the customizable nature of RGP lenses?
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Because RGPs do not 'drape' the eye like a soft lens, every parameter must be set by the CL fitter. We are dealing in tenths and hundereds of mms and most lenses are custom order.
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Because RGPs do not 'drape' the eye like a soft lens, every parameter must be set by the CL fitter. We are dealing in tenths and hundereds of mms and most lenses are custom order.
Most lenses are made to order or most RGP lenses?
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Because RGPs do not 'drape' the eye like a soft lens, every parameter must be set by the CL fitter. We are dealing in tenths and hundereds of mms and most lenses are custom order.
And that's why people find RGP lenses uncomfortable?
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Soft lenses are comfortable almost immediately, RGPs take some time because the lenses are hard. If the edges of the lens are polished properly, once you get used to them, they're just as comfortable as any lens but last much longer. I have patients wearing the same RGPs for four or five years. Also, the harder the lens material, the sharper the vision.
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Soft lenses are comfortable almost immediately, RGPs take some time because the lenses are hard. If the edges of the lens are polished properly, once you get used to them, they're just as comfortable as any lens but last much longer. I have patients wearing the same RGPs for four or five years. Also, the harder the lens material, the sharper the vision.
If RGPs can (presumably) be worn safely for four or five years, how do you know when they're done and you can throw them away?
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If RGPs can (presumably) be worn safely for four or five years, how do you know when they're done and you can throw them away?
Depends on the material. Softer materials will warp after a time, and even more rigid materials may get scratched up to a point they cannot be polished smooth anymore, or an Rx change. With soft lenses, O2 must be disolved into the liquid of the lens and absorbed through the lens. With RGP materials, O2 passes directly through the material itself, and therefore does not diminish over wearing time as soft lenses do.
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Depends on the material. Softer materials will warp after a time, and even more rigid materials may get scratched up to a point they cannot be polished smooth anymore, or an Rx change. With soft lenses, O2 must be disolved into the liquid of the lens and absorbed through the lens. With RGP materials, O2 passes directly through the material itself, and therefore does not diminish over wearing time as soft lenses do.
So with RGP lenses you just wear them until they're just too physically beat up to wear any more?
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So with RGP lenses you just wear them until they're just too physically beat up to wear any more?
Pretty much. For some people, price has a lot to do with it. In some states, only Dr.s can fit CLs and have you by your wallet, because there's no competition. So, if you can get a year supply of soft lenses for $300.00 and RGPs that wil last for years at the same price, it may be worth taking some time to get used to RGPs. By the way, the two safest lenses on the market are 1 Day soft and RGPs.
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Pretty much. For some people, price has a lot to do with it. In some states, only Dr.s can fit CLs . . .
I don't understand. Does that mean that in other states, people who are not doctors can fit patients with contact lenses?
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Single cut, bicurve, tricurve and multi aspherical refer to the peripheral curves on the edge of the lenses. They help to adjust centration and movement on the lenses.
Okay, so these terms are used to describe the shape of the contact lenses. The shape of the lenses then helps to keep the contacts from sliding around on your eyes, right?
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Okay, so these terms are used to describe the shape of the contact lenses. The shape of the lenses then helps to keep the contacts from sliding around on your eyes, right?
As a general rule, the base curve (or back surface curve) is fit fairly close to the latest corneal curve. The very outside edges, all the way around, must be flatter again in curvature than the base curve in order give some 'edge lift' and prevent the lens from becoming 'suctioncupped' on to the eye. That would prevent tear flow under the lens and extreme difficulty in removal. While these curves do have a role in centration and movement on the eye, diameter-optic zone, weight of material and thickness of material are importatant also.
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As a general rule, the base curve (or back surface curve) is fit fairly close to the latest corneal curve. The very outside edges, all the way around, must be flatter again in curvature than the base curve in order give some 'edge lift' and prevent the lens from becoming 'suctioncupped' on to the eye. That would prevent tear flow under the lens and extreme difficulty in removal. While these curves do have a role in centration and movement on the eye, diameter-optic zone, weight of material and thickness of material are importatant also.
I didn't know about that "edge lift" thing. That's interesting.
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Sometimes, a brand of contact lenses will also go by a generic name, or even a different brand name. Have you ever heard of Boston Envision going by a different name?
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Romeo and Juliet (Act II, Scene ii, 1-2)

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Looks good, right?

Soitenly!
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You actually looked up the quote. Nice work Spongebob.
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"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

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I don't know which is classier, the quote or the picture.
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As a general rule, the base curve (or back surface curve) is fit fairly close to the latest corneal curve. The very outside edges, all the way around, must be flatter again in curvature than the base curve in order give some 'edge lift' and prevent the lens from becoming 'suctioncupped' on to the eye. That would prevent tear flow under the lens and extreme difficulty in removal. While these curves do have a role in centration and movement on the eye, diameter-optic zone, weight of material and thickness of material are importatant also.
So does that mean the edges do not fit as snugly against the cornea as the center?
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I didn't know about that "edge lift" thing. That's interesting.
from what I can see it looks like a hybrid rpg/soft lens like synergeyes lenses.
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If RGPs can (presumably) be worn safely for four or five years, how do you know when they're done and you can throw them away?
Only a slit lamp obsevation can determine the quality and state of the lenses.
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Sometimes, a brand of contact lenses will also go by a generic name, or even a different brand name. Have you ever heard of Boston Envision going by a different name?
nope also because Boston Envision is a type of material and all boston rgp materials to my knowledge are patented (nobody can duplicate the material technology)
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And that's why people find RGP lenses uncomfortable?
Yes there is lens edge awareness in the beginning and during the adaptation process but once your eyes gets use to them...You wont feel anything at all..

I have dry sensitive eyes and I got use to rgp's without a hitch......
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I didn't know about that "edge lift" thing. That's interesting.
with the elliptical fit...it indicates that this lens is a toric fit.
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nope also because Boston Envision is a type of material and all boston rgp materials to my knowledge are patented (nobody can duplicate the material technology)
Would putting out a generic form of the lens be patent infringement? No one is falsely saying that they created the lenses, they're simply selling them.
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Would putting out a generic form of the lens be patent infringement? No one is falsely saying that they created the lenses, they're simply selling them.
its funny tho.....behind the scenes in the labs of these contact lens manufacturers....their bio chemical recipes for certain materials are closely guarded.....!This behind the scenes world is verrrrrrry hush hush!

getting into these labs is also like fort knox.....
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its funny tho.....behind the scenes in the labs of these contact lens manufacturers....their bio chemical recipes for certain materials are closely guarded.....!This behind the scenes world is verrrrrrry hush hush!

getting into these labs is also like fort knox.....
I wonder why that is? I suppose there's a lot of money to be made in designing and selling contact lenses. Whenever people break the law, they tend to do so out of desire for more money.
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I wonder why that is? I suppose there's a lot of money to be made in designing and selling contact lenses. Whenever people break the law, they tend to do so out of desire for more money.
Contact lens manufacturers keep their contact lens plastic chemical recipes very hush and are protected by proprietary law, patents, and a code of silence.

These companies spend enourmous amounts of funding on there scientific research. Its pretty crazy to comprehend!
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I wonder why that is? I suppose there's a lot of money to be made in designing and selling contact lenses. Whenever people break the law, they tend to do so out of desire for more money.
Or, as was said on the show from which I took my screen name: "Hired thieves and murderers don't usually work for love."
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Contact lens manufacturers keep their contact lens plastic chemical recipes very hush and are protected by proprietary law, patents, and a code of silence.

These companies spend enourmous amounts of funding on there scientific research. Its pretty crazy to comprehend!
Did you say "cone of silence"?
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Did you say "cone of silence"?
Luvbostonxo2 actually said "code of silence," but I like the picture you provided.
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