A nap in focus dailies??

Jess4250 · #1 (**permalink**) 12-12-2009, 02:36 PM

Does anyone know if you can even take a nap in Focus Dailies, or do you need to take your contacts out for that too??

Bondjamesbond · #2 (**permalink**) 12-14-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess4250

Does anyone know if you can even take a nap in Focus Dailies, or do you need to take your contacts out for that too??

Hi Jess4250.

You can take a nap in focus dailies contact lenses, but as far as how long a "nap" is considered to be by CIBA vision, I don't know.
I could have sworn someone here on Lens 101 asked how long a "nap" is considered to be, but I can't seem to find that posting. Maybe you can find it.
Just to give you something to start with, I think that thread determined that a "nap" is no more than one hour. I'm just going by what I remember, so if you can't find that post, you probably should ask your eye doctor.

toddster63 · #3 (**permalink**) 04-26-2010, 07:42 PM

Not only have I merely napped in Focus Dailies, I've left them in for up to 3 days at a time, sleeping in them for up to 10 hours at night. They need some drops in the morning, but then I am good to go...

Yes, I know, my OD would probably have a fit, but these contacts have really worked well for me...!

I don't wear them for up to 3 days anymore, too paranoid as they have a really low oxygen passage rate, but I will occasionally wear them overnight, and can often wake up and not ever need drops.

Love my Focus Dailies...!

Knotlob · #4 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by toddster63

Not only have I merely napped in Focus Dailies, I've left them in for up to 3 days at a time, sleeping in them for up to 10 hours at night. They need some drops in the morning, but then I am good to go...

Yes, I know, my OD would probably have a fit, but these contacts have really worked well for me...!

I don't wear them for up to 3 days anymore, too paranoid as they have a really low oxygen passage rate, but I will occasionally wear them overnight, and can often wake up and not ever need drops.

Love my Focus Dailies...!

Hi toddster63

Welcome to the forum.

Well I see that you are aware of the risks of wearing these lenses for several days and have now stopped this practice. You may want to do a search on this forum or on Google for Corneal Ulcers. These, by member's accounts, are extremely unpleasant and can have serious consequences.

If you need to occasionally wear your lenses overnight, why not consider a switch to a higher oxygen permeable silicone hydrogel lens? They would be better for your eyes, though I wouldn't wear them 24/7 unless I had a good reason, even if my eye care professional told me it was OK.

knotlob

K-9 · #5 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by toddster63

Not only have I merely napped in Focus Dailies, I've left them in for up to 3 days at a time, sleeping in them for up to 10 hours at night. They need some drops in the morning, but then I am good to go...

Yes, I know, my OD would probably have a fit, but these contacts have really worked well for me...!

I don't wear them for up to 3 days anymore, too paranoid as they have a really low oxygen passage rate, but I will occasionally wear them overnight, and can often wake up and not ever need drops.

Love my Focus Dailies...!

Hello Toddster63.

This is the kind of posting that gives me the willies. I'm glad you love your Focus Dailies, but I hope you remember the "daily" part. It can be very harmful to wear daily contact lenses for more than about twelve hours. They are not designed to be worn overnight.
I'm glad you didn't suffer any ill effects and that you're more careful now, but I'm afraid that others will read this carelessly and think that they can wear their daily disposable contact lenses for three days like you have and damage their eyes.

If I could could say one thing to everyone reading this, it would be "Don't wear your contact lenses any longer than your doctor advises you to. 'Daily' means 'daily' as in put in new contacts every day."

toddster63 · #6 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Knotlob

If you need to occasionally wear your lenses overnight, why not consider a switch to a higher oxygen permeable silicone hydrogel lens?

I've tried silicone hydrogel lenses, but being a heavy protein depositor, even with peroxide cleansers nightly, "monthly" contacts became painful to the point of being unwearable right around the 10-12 day point. Monthlies? Ha, that's a funny joke around here...!

It's why my doc set me up in dailies...

At this point, my presbyopia is getting more and more pronounced, and I think my wearing of single vision Focus Dailies is very limited. I hate giving them up, but I am considering trying multifocal RGP's (particularly the SoClear macro lenses).

toddster63 · #7 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by K-9

...This is the kind of posting that gives me the willies. I'm glad you love your Focus Dailies, but I hope you remember the "daily" part. It can be very harmful to wear daily contact lenses for more than about twelve hours. They are not designed to be worn overnight.

K-9, you are 100% right, dailies should not be worn extensively like I have in the past. It really is a terrible thing to do...

(What really gives me the willies is the amount of poorly skilled OD's out there...! I had to go through 3 OD's, and waste over $1000 in fitting fees—on a $35k a year dog groomers salary!—to find a talented and concerned OD that got the job done and gave me great and hassle-free vision... Yikes! Scary! The amount of mediocre OD's out there is mind boggling as far as I am concerned. I much prefer to balance whatever any OD tells me with actual information and experience from real world users such as on this forum).

mamcita · #8 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by toddster63

K-9, you are 100% right, dailies should not be worn extensively like I have in the past. It really is a terrible thing to do...

(What really gives me the willies is the amount of poorly skilled OD's out there...! I had to go through 3 OD's, and waste over $1000 in fitting fees—on a $35k a year dog groomers salary!—to find a talented and concerned OD that got the job done and gave me great and hassle-free vision... Yikes! Scary! The amount of mediocre OD's out there is mind boggling as far as I am concerned. I much prefer to balance whatever any OD tells me with actual information and experience from real world users such as on this forum).

Thanks for the post, toddster. I'm glad you can find useful information on this site. I spend so much time reading and posting here that I almost feel like it's my site, and it is, in a way. It's always nice to know that something you do is helping someone else. There's nothing like the life experience that the members of Lens 101 have, and some are even eye care professionals. This is a good place to be.

Knotlob · #9 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by toddster63

I've tried silicone hydrogel lenses, but being a heavy protein depositor, even with peroxide cleansers nightly, "monthly" contacts became painful to the point of being unwearable right around the 10-12 day point. Monthlies? Ha, that's a funny joke around here...!

It's why my doc set me up in dailies...

At this point, my presbyopia is getting more and more pronounced, and I think my wearing of single vision Focus Dailies is very limited. I hate giving them up, but I am considering trying multifocal RGP's (particularly the SoClear macro lenses).

Hello toddster63

I had not heard of SoClear Macro lenses, but found an interesting thread on the Net.

I suppose you could (probably did try already) protein removing tablets for your silicone hydrogel lenses, but they add extra cost and I never thought they worked very well with my yearly lenses, (when I wore these). Now that Daily Disposables are around, I can see why your Eye Care Specialist switched you to these.

I can sympathise with you re the presbyopia. I think I will be in that situation in about 1-2 years

I am using Menicon Z alpha standard RGP lenses at present.

knotlob

Eyeofharmony · #10 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Knotlob

I can sympathise with you re the presbyopia. I think I will be in that situation in about 1-2 years

I am using Menicon Z alpha standard RGP lenses at present.

knotlob

I just turned 41 and I'm still reading this forum without glasses. I need them to drive, though.

Knotlob · #11 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eyeofharmony

I just turned 41 and I'm still reading this forum without glasses. I need them to drive, though.

Eyeofharmony your still a youngster then

knotlob

Eyeofharmony · #12 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Knotlob

Eyeofharmony your still a youngster then

knotlob

So you say. It seems like I'm surrounded by youngsters on the job, though.

I remember turning 30. I thought that 30 is certainly not "old" but you seldom hear people say "I lost my job to some thirty year old kid!"

If I may ask, are you experiencing the dreaded "old eyes" of presbyopia?

Knotlob · #13 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eyeofharmony

So you say. It seems like I'm surrounded by youngsters on the job, though.

I remember turning 30. I thought that 30 is certainly not "old" but you seldom hear people say "I lost my job to some thirty year old kid!"

If I may ask, are you experiencing the dreaded "old eyes" of presbyopia?

I'm well past the age when policemen & women look young

.

Yes, I wear RGP (or Soft) lenses to correct for far off vision, but I need reading glasses for close stuff. It's bad enough at ADD +2.50. But I have some cheap supermarket sunglasses, which are +3.00 for really close up work like tying knots in fine fishing line especially in poor light, jewellery making, fine DIY, etc. It's becoming a nuisance to have to wear the readers more and more, since I had my long distance sight corrected fully. But at least I can see well at all ranges with the readers and contacts

.

Multifocal contact lenses are beginning to look worthwhile investigating

knotlob

KITT · #14 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Knotlob

I'm well past the age when policemen & women look young

.

Yes, I wear RGP (or Soft) lenses to correct for far off vision, but I need reading glasses for close stuff. It's bad enough at ADD +2.50. But I have some cheap supermarket sunglasses, which are +3.00 for really close up work like tying knots in fine fishing line especially in poor light, jewellery making, fine DIY, etc.
knotlob

It sounds like you have a lot of squinty hobbies, Knotlob.

Knotlob · #15 (**permalink**) 04-27-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KITT

It sounds like you have a lot of squinty hobbies, Knotlob.

Yes, that's part of the problem!

knotlob

timetraveler · #16 (**permalink**) 04-28-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KITT

It sounds like you have a lot of squinty hobbies, Knotlob.

Maybe you should take up bird watching.

Knotlob · #17 (**permalink**) 04-28-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by timetraveler

Maybe you should take up bird watching.

That's one of Mrs Knotlob's minor hobbies!

knotlob

Curlupndye · #18 (**permalink**) 04-28-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Knotlob

That's one of Mrs Knotlob's minor hobbies!

knotlob

Fantastic! Do the birds sing with a German accent there?

Knotlob · #19 (**permalink**) 04-28-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Curlupndye

Fantastic! Do the birds sing with a German accent there?

LOL. At this time of year and past couple of months there are a lot of migrating birds, so it's International. We even have Canada geese here, but I think they have EU citizenship

knotlob

Dragonslayer · #20 (**permalink**) 04-28-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Knotlob

LOL. At this time of year and past couple of months there are a lot of migrating birds, so it's International. We even have Canada geese here, but I think they have EU citizenship

knotlob

Hi knotlob,

Funny you should mention Canada geese. I saw a Canadian goose crossing a busy street on (webbed) foot this morning. Why it didn't just fly I don't know. It didn't even waddle very quickly.

KITT · #21 (**permalink**) 05-04-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer

Hi knotlob,

Funny you should mention Canada geese. I saw a Canadian goose crossing a busy street on (webbed) foot this morning. Why it didn't just fly I don't know. It didn't even waddle very quickly.

Those Canadian geese have lot of attitude. They don't seem to be afraid of anything.

mamcita · #22 (**permalink**) 05-04-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timetraveler

Maybe you should take up bird watching.

It appears as though that young man isn't watching closely enough . . .

K-9 · #23 (**permalink**) 05-19-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mamcita

It appears as though that young man isn't watching closely enough . . .

Oh, this young man. The bird watcher being mocked by his quarry.

Jubert · #24 (**permalink**) 05-20-2010, 10:29 AM

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Hey Joe,

Do you have any information about sleeping in Focus Dailies contact lenses or birdwatching? That's what this thread is about.

Jubert · #25 (**permalink**) 05-20-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by K-9

Oh, this young man. The bird watcher being mocked by his quarry.

"Looking for birds, huh? That's cool. Have you seen any?"

Dragonslayer · #26 (**permalink**) 05-27-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jess4250

Does anyone know if you can even take a nap in Focus Dailies, or do you need to take your contacts out for that too??

Going back to the original question. Can you nap in Focus Dailies contacts?

I did a search and found a lot of answers from non-professionals, and I wasn't satisfied. Finally my search took me to the CibaVision website, the lair of the dragon, so to speak. It said "Designed for napping and sleeping for up to 30 nights of continuous wear" but that was for Air Optix Night & Day Aqua, NOT Focus Dailies.

The section on Focus Dailies does not say anything about napping in them. So I would be very careful not to fall asleep with the Focus Dailies in, even for a half hour nap.

Knotlob · #27 (**permalink**) 05-27-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer

Going back to the original question. Can you nap in Focus Dailies contacts?

I did a search and found a lot of answers from non-professionals, and I wasn't satisfied. Finally my search took me to the CibaVision website, the lair of the dragon, so to speak. It said "Designed for napping and sleeping for up to 30 nights of continuous wear" but that was for Air Optix Night & Day Aqua, NOT Focus Dailies.

The section on Focus Dailies does not say anything about napping in them. So I would be very careful not to fall asleep with the Focus Dailies in, even for a half hour nap.

The Focus Dailies are a standard hydrogel lens, not a high oxygen permeable silicone hydrogel lens like the Air Optix.

However, even if Ciba Vision and the FDA say you can wear these (Air Optix) lenses for up to 30 days & nights, current thinking is that this is NOT recommended. Wearing contact lenses on a continuous or extended wear basis greatly increases the risk of corneal infections, including corneal ulcers. See the posts by Doctor G on this subject. He would NOT prescribe lenses for extended wear, except under extreme circumstances and certainly not just for the convenience of not having to clean the lenses daily.

knotlob

Momalina2 · #28 (**permalink**) 05-27-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer

Going back to the original question. Can you nap in Focus Dailies contacts?

I did a search and found a lot of answers from non-professionals, and I wasn't satisfied. Finally my search took me to the CibaVision website, the lair of the dragon, so to speak. It said "Designed for napping and sleeping for up to 30 nights of continuous wear" but that was for Air Optix Night & Day Aqua, NOT Focus Dailies.

Did somebody say "Dragon's Lair"?

mgash · #29 (**permalink**) 06-09-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by toddster63

Not only have I merely napped in Focus Dailies, I've left them in for up to 3 days at a time, sleeping in them for up to 10 hours at night. They need some drops in the morning, but then I am good to go...

Yes, I know, my OD would probably have a fit, but these contacts have really worked well for me...!

I don't wear them for up to 3 days anymore, too paranoid as they have a really low oxygen passage rate, but I will occasionally wear them overnight, and can often wake up and not ever need drops.

Love my Focus Dailies...!

They're Focus Dailies not Focus Nightlies. Use'm love'm and toss'm

BettyBoop · #30 (**permalink**) 06-10-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mgash

They're Focus Dailies not Focus Nightlies. Use'm love'm and toss'm

You make a very good point, mgash. They're called Focus Dailies, not Focus Nightlies . . . nor are they called Focus Fortnightlies or Focus Weeklies. As you say, use `em, love `em and toss `em. Then go to bed after you've tossed `em.

BettyBoop · #31 (**permalink**) 06-10-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by toddster63

K-9, you are 100% right, dailies should not be worn extensively like I have in the past. It really is a terrible thing to do...

I'm glad you've seen the light, toddster. I hope you've changed your ways.

mgash · #32 (**permalink**) 06-23-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Knotlob

I'm well past the age when policemen & women look young

.

Yes, I wear RGP (or Soft) lenses to correct for far off vision, but I need reading glasses for close stuff. It's bad enough at ADD +2.50. But I have some cheap supermarket sunglasses, which are +3.00 for really close up work like tying knots in fine fishing line especially in poor light, jewellery making, fine DIY, etc. It's becoming a nuisance to have to wear the readers more and more, since I had my long distance sight corrected fully. But at least I can see well at all ranges with the readers and contacts

.

Multifocal contact lenses are beginning to look worthwhile investigating

knotlob

Forget that idea. I wanted them, my Doc didn't recommend them. I finally got her to get me samples of Purvision Multifocal lenses. My vision was limited form 18 inches to 300 feet. She warned me that the distant vision would not be perfect, and she was right. Dollar store reading glasses make for sense. Look at this way, if you had perfect distance eyes you would by readers.

Knotlob · #33 (**permalink**) 06-24-2010, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mgash

Forget that idea. I wanted them, my Doc didn't recommend them. I finally got her to get me samples of Purvision Multifocal lenses. My vision was limited form 18 inches to 300 feet. She warned me that the distant vision would not be perfect, and she was right. Dollar store reading glasses make for sense. Look at this way, if you had perfect distance eyes you would by readers.

I've heard that (previously) the multifocal lenses are a compromise for close and far distance. i.e. your far distance suffers to give better close range viewing. But I am anticipating that lens technology will advance and lenses will reach an acceptable performance for myself and others - sometime soon hopefully

.

knotlob

Uhura · #34 (**permalink**) 06-25-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Momalina2

Did somebody say "Dragon's Lair"?

That was the Best Video Game Ever. Coincidentally, the other day I was surprised to see my friend's kids watching a cartoon based Space Ace.

Jubert · #35 (**permalink**) 07-08-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by toddster63

K-9, you are 100% right, dailies should not be worn extensively like I have in the past. It really is a terrible thing to do...

(What really gives me the willies is the amount of poorly skilled OD's out there...! I had to go through 3 OD's, and waste over $1000 in fitting fees—on a $35k a year dog groomers salary!—to find a talented and concerned OD that got the job done and gave me great and hassle-free vision... Yikes! Scary! The amount of mediocre OD's out there is mind boggling as far as I am concerned. I much prefer to balance whatever any OD tells me with actual information and experience from real world users such as on this forum).

This forum is great for getting people's real-world experience.

Speaking of real-world experience, let me show you a picture I found of someone with a corneal ulcer from sleeping in contact lenses not designed for that:

"'Of all the corneal ulcers I see, 99.9% are from people who’ve slept overnight in their contacts, napped with them on a plane, or napped with them for two or three hours,' said Robert Latkany, M.D., assistant professor, New York Medical College, and founder, Center for Ocular Tear Film Disorders, New York. 'It’s a toxic situation.'
Dr. Latkany has had 22-year-old patients who have needed corneal transplants after they swam and slept in their contacts."

Did you get that? 22 year old patients who have ruined their corneas so thoroughly from sleeping in their contacts that they had to have corneas from dead people put in place of their own.

Need I say more?

Momalina2 · #36 (**permalink**) 07-13-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jubert

This forum is great for getting people's real-world experience.

"'Of all the corneal ulcers I see, 99.9% are from people who’ve slept overnight in their contacts, napped with them on a plane, or napped with them for two or three hours,' said Robert Latkany, M.D., assistant professor, New York Medical College, and founder, Center for Ocular Tear Film Disorders, New York. 'It’s a toxic situation.'
Dr. Latkany has had 22-year-old patients who have needed corneal transplants after they swam and slept in their contacts."

Did you get that? 22 year old patients who have ruined their corneas so thoroughly from sleeping in their contacts that they had to have corneas from dead people put in place of their own.

Need I say more?

Wow. That's telling it like it is.

Can you really get a corneal ulcer from taking a three hour nap in your Focus Dailies contact lenses just once?

Bondjamesbond · #37 (**permalink**) 08-03-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Momalina2

Can you really get a corneal ulcer from taking a three hour nap in your Focus Dailies contact lenses just once?

I doubt it very much.

Unless you're super-sensitive.

KITT · #38 (**permalink**) 08-05-2010, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jubert

"Looking for birds, huh? That's cool. Have you seen any?"

"I heard there are some beautiful finches out here with black and white heads. You should see `em."

Jubert · #39 (**permalink**) 08-27-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Momalina2

Did somebody say "Dragon's Lair"?

Oddly enough, "Dragonslayer" mentioned "the lair of the dragon." He should not have hesitated to go there.

FitnessMistress · #40 (**permalink**) 12-16-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jubert

This forum is great for getting people's real-world experience.

Speaking of real-world experience, let me show you a picture I found of someone with a corneal ulcer from sleeping in contact lenses not designed for that:

"'Of all the corneal ulcers I see, 99.9% are from people who’ve slept overnight in their contacts, napped with them on a plane, or napped with them for two or three hours,' said Robert Latkany, M.D., assistant professor, New York Medical College, and founder, Center for Ocular Tear Film Disorders, New York. 'It’s a toxic situation.'
Dr. Latkany has had 22-year-old patients who have needed corneal transplants after they swam and slept in their contacts."

Did you get that? 22 year old patients who have ruined their corneas so thoroughly from sleeping in their contacts that they had to have corneas from dead people put in place of their own.

Need I say more?

So the ulcer is that white spot on the person's cornea, right near the bottom? I thought that was just room lights reflected. I see a couple reflections but that spot at the 5:30 position doesn't look as shiny.

If that is the ulcer, it looks awful.

Jubert · #41 (**permalink**) 02-03-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FitnessMistress

So the ulcer is that white spot on the person's cornea, right near the bottom? I thought that was just room lights reflected. I see a couple reflections but that spot at the 5:30 position doesn't look as shiny.

If that is the ulcer, it looks awful.

Yeah, I think you've found the ulcer in question, FitnessMistress, and you're right, it looks awful.